If you were Abrahams children, said Jesus, then you would do what Abraham did. In the age it was first established, the shoreline stood much closer to the site than it does today due to silt deposits collected over the past 7000 years. Both are noted as mighty hunters. Why Do Cain's Descendants Show Up After the Flood? - IMDb Wright Interview - Getting to Know The Apostle Paul, Jesus' Identity in John's Gospel - God E20, Merry Christmas & Thank You from The Bible Project, The Snake in the Throne Room - Son of Man E3, N.T. The research found flood sediments only on the eastern side of a desert wall built almost 1,000 years ago. Chinese Archaeologist H.M. Xu suggests the Olmecs may have been immigrants from China. It seems that humans are not robots, and that this is good. Only men could be sons or "sons of Satan", I don't know if it's just me or if perhaps everyone else encountering problems with your website. If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. Why did Hashem reject Cain's Minchah but accepted Abel's? Bodies are not found to be buried with riches or prized possessions unequally. Family of God E10 Q+R EPISODE 235, Understanding The Law Part 2: The Prophets, The Kingdom of God Part 1: The Kingdom of God Is the Gospel, starting from Genesis 1, The Kingdom of God Part 2: Co-Ruling with Jesus. "23And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.". Was Noah and/or his family fully or partially descendant from Cain? In the Arabic language the name Ayyb is symbolic of the virtue of patience and Job is mentioned in several passages in the Quran. It notes the distinct difference between early humans/indigenous tribal cultures and the 'civilized' humans that first emerged in Mesopotamia and spread from there. Could Cain's descendants have survived the flood? How many of those connections came from literary findings and how many came from research sources (from archeological studies done by actual archeologists in the field)? In Genesis 11 it addresses these people who were building the city and tower specifically as 'children of men'. Free will can mean something besides the will of God. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. 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Deuteronomy E1, What Does Leviticus Teach Us About Jesus? And your works don't matter for your God? http://nabataea.net/edomch4.html. I can certainly understand that. I think the city that Cain built was Eridu and that he and his descendants taught the early humans to work the soil, as he was a farmer. 19 if I have seen anyone perishing for lack of clothing,or a needy man without a garment. Tubal-Cains sister was Naamah. Personally I find cohesion and consistency throughout the old testament and therefore it makes no sense to me how these could be two different Gods. Where humans by this point in history had been settling and building populated communities through the practice of horticulture for many centuries, since 8000 BC or so, it wasn't until Eridu that we see organized, centralized leadership directing the actions of a lower working class. 15 And an officer, one of the king's counselors, whose name was Job, from Mesopotamia, in the land of Uz, answered the king, saying. God who created Universe and who made covenant with Noah, made it very clear that - Thou Shalt Not Kill. A few of them are my friends and I wish not to disclose them to unnecessarily. artblack01 from New Mexico on April 09, 2012: "What I'm doing here is I'm attempting to establish Genesis as a legitimate source of factual information based on the ample evidence I've provided to back up my claim.". All three companies are registered in England & Wales with a registered office address of Unit 6 April Court, Sybron Way, Crowborough, TN6 3DZ. A careful reading of the Book of Job shows that even before his great testing, Job was a person of very high rank amongst his contemporaries. >, Pause and rewind live radio on our 4 radio stations, Access to our extensive library of Sermons on demand, Podcasts and Music playlists. Defensive walls around settled communities. Finally, the chapter closes with one last bit of intrigue by saying that 'men began to call upon the name of the Lord' when Enoch, third generation from Adam, was born. Letters Q+R #1, How Much Context Do We Really Need? He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melki, the son of Jannai.. the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Kenan, the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. I'm not sure if your view is the same or not, but where I've heard that from others they generally refer to the two different Gods being the God called Yahweh in some of the texts versus the God called Elohim elsewhere. Artwork that depicts battles between organized forces in large numbers. I think it is important to recognize that the bible is not perfect, but that doesn't mean it's any less important. 19 But this is the advice counseled by which you may lessen them, if it seems good to the king to afflict them. By clicking Accept all cookies, you agree Stack Exchange can store cookies on your device and disclose information in accordance with our Cookie Policy. Ur only became known as 'Ur of the Chaldeans' when the Chaldeans settled there sometime before 850 BC, which is one of the indicators that tell scholars that this portion of Genesis as we know it today was probably written around this time in the Kingdom of Judah. In the next couple of centuries the same goes for Egypt, with an already established northern and southern kingdom unifying under one ruler around 3200 BC. This is hinted at in Jethro's statement in Exodus 18:6, the first letters of each word make up a new word: brother, in hebrew. It's here that this began to change. In this way, sin can be seen as a cancer. Anyway, I am going all over the place, and am digressing. 33 When Bela died, Jobab son of Zerah from Bozrah succeeded him as king.. Day Of The Lord Part One: What's The Deal With "Babylon"? Wadd was Minoan / Minaean God of Love and Friendship; Snakes were sacred symbol to Wadd. General collection with the current state of complexity bounds of well-known unsolved problems? Here we are again, with you speaking as the knowledgeable authority alluding to 'obvious' flaws in my grasp of the evidence I provide with nothing to detail what makes you think so that doesn't stem from our fundamental philosophical differences. (before the great flood of Noah). autocompleteIndex: {}, I'm going to keep searching because that's just what I do. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.. Assuming Adam's creation were just a century or two before Eridu, this places Abraham right in the time frame where Sumerian and Egyptian civilization first began to emerge. 15 Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Again, this isn't to convert you or anyone else to Christianity. 21 If it pleases the king, let a royal decree go forth, and let it be written in the laws of Egypt which will not be revoked, that every male child born to the Yisraelites, his blood will be spilled upon the ground. Leviticus E6, What Israel's Feasts Teach Us Leviticus E8, What Made the Tribe of Levi Special? The Book of Jasher is a so called - "lost book", mentioned in the Bible (Joshua 10:13 & 2Sam. BTW. We should look at this part also; it was the "blessing" for the descendents of the deceiver - son of Satan. Some say to worship no other but Him, the rest have to do with how we treat each other. So it would seem that taking the time to specifically mention these four descendants, along with the various skills they introduced into the world, would be pointless if they and everyone they 'fathered' died in the flood too. In Roman Catholicism, he is a saint and pre-eminent Doctor of the Church. Sumerian mythology also says that there were multiple city-states, each governed by a king and each having a temple at the center which was the home of that city-state's patron god. If Adam and his descendants really did exist as described, then that would explain who these mythological gods were that the Sumerians claim they learned from in doing things we know they actually did. The episode is mentioned in the Talmud (Tractate Sotah): Balaam gives evil advice urging Pharaoh to kill the male new-born babies; Jethro opposes Pharoh and tells him not to harm the Israelites at all, and Job keeps silent and does not reveal even though he was personally opposed to Pharaohs destructive plans. Lamech was especially Cain-like, since he boasted of killing a man who had injured him and even . The Book of Job is something I plan on delving into at some point because of it's content primarily, because it is so old, and because both the Sumerians and the Egyptians also have very similar stories in their ancient texts as well. 14 I put on righteousness, and it clothed me; And I searched out the case that I did not know. This name is well attested as a West Semitic name in the second millennium B.C. To subscribe to this RSS feed, copy and paste this URL into your RSS reader. So let's assess the situation up to this point. It just so happens that a major climatological change happened around 3900 BC (5.9 kiloyear event) that actually did trigger large human migrations out of the Sahara region, which transformed into desert. In Genesis 11, all of humanity is depicted as migrating to the East, and then scattered from there. Early in the timeline, with the exception of Genesis 15:19, it generally refers to the descendants of Jethro, Moses Father in Law. DNA has been honed over many generations. Then in the next story, Cain is also banished/exiled to the East after he kills his brother Able. Other possible translations for the Hebrew word translated here as 'city' are 'town', 'township', or 'burg', none of which really apply to a place where a rather small family dwells. Where does Cain go after his banishment? Also see, Ramban, Berishith 6:4, regarding the possibility that other giants survived the Flood as well. After all, Abel was murdered and had no children. They're described as heroes of old, MEN of renown. But in the past warriors relied on strength, and thus it was ideal for the male sex, who tend to be stronger and more aggressive in general. The author then shifts the focus to the descendants of Enoch, the son Cain named his city after. Bela/Belus, the first king of Edom, is listed in the Bible as the son of Beor, and Beor is the son of Laban (The Book of Jasher), who is the brother of Rebecca wife of Isaac, whose first born son Esau, husband of Princess Basemath, fathered Reul(name meaning - friend of God). Receiving Power Firstborn E2, Power Grabs and Patriarchs Firstborn E4, The Plague of the Firstborn Firstborn E5, Hannahs Poem and Power Reversals Firstborn E6, What Is Gods Name? Oh it sounds so familiar to me. what document do you refer to as your source for this, if you know? 6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father [b] of Enosh. This was, and in some cases still is, the standard. I'm not sure but Genesis seems pretty cut-and-dry about the flood entirely wiping humanity off the earth. Though the Sumerian tablets containing their mythological stories predate the oldest surviving copies of the books of Moses, they share many similar themes. Register to unlock the full benefit of Premier Plus: Premier consists of Premier Christian Media Trust registered as a charity (no. Can somebody else please comment and let me know if this is happening to them too? Jeremy Christian (author) from Texas on October 14, 2012: The confusion over those first few verses of Genesis 6 is a prime example of how muddy this whole thing can get in the wrong context. The successful ones, the ones who prevailed and assimilated others, seemed to be the advanced patriarchal civilizations that developed a strong army, law codes, and sophisticated government organizations. Exodus E7, Whats So Special About the Tabernacle? Like the sixth generation of Cain specifically named in Genesis, six generations of gods after Enki, the seventh generation, known in this version of the story as the younger Igigi gods, began to rebel and refused to work anymore. It was this intermingling, and the now rampant spread of free will/individual ego (being that they were 'of Eve') that eventually led to the 'wickedness' in humanity that warranted a localized flood. Emotions are what make life meaningful. Enter a search term to search for presenters, podcasts, music and more. Let's read some verses from the Bible, and not only, about God: 10 So listen to me, you men of understanding. The records of this time are so fragmentary and rare. To them the land, the earth, belongs to all. This is thought by some to be the catalyst that spurred on the advancement of civilizations both in Sumer and in Egypt just a few centuries later that sprang up along these same river valleys. I have my own views on this issue. And plucked the victim from his teeth.". In the Sumerian version in the Epic of Gilgamesh, after the flood, it says that Enlil was angered that there were survivors. " Utnapishtim explains that the gods decided to send a great flood. That's logical. - Family of God E10 Q+R (Podcast Episode 2021) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. Look, you don't even need to try to answer this because I already know. Genesis 6:17-18 Tree Q+R 2, Taking Gods Name in Vain? With him Bellerophon caught and slew the fire-breathing Chimera. Jeremy Christian (author) from Texas on April 03, 2012: I've explained plenty. In fact, the mere idea of land ownership was completely foreign to early humans and even still today in the cultures you mentioned. Where time permits I'm doing a little reading and ran across a really interesting tidbit that pertains to something both of you have mentioned and that I find utterly fascinating. Genesis 6:1-3 - When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Especially when Genesis 4 directly states that Cain was Adam/Eve's son. What are the benefits of not using private military companies (PMCs) as China did? (These societies seemed to be run by males for the most part). Any Anthropologist will agree that civilization and the military are linked, just as it is with government and law. Nothing? Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! The most important aspect of the scriptures on which we must concentrate is that there is no other god besides Almighty God , and therefore, it is our duty and obligation to return to Almighty God in this life, surrender and submit ourselves to Almighty God, worship and serve Almighty God only, do good works to our fellow man, and believe in the LAST DAY, and that to Almighty God all of us shall return. Christian scholars like Thomas Aquinas (Expositio), Augustine of Hippo (City of God), St. Jerome or Matthew Henry never doubted that Job and those who engaged in debate with him were genuine historical persons. Initially, it was much like you said, social and sexual equality in the hunter-gatherer migrating tribes, then in the primitive settled horticultural cultures. This may be a issue with my web browser because I've had this happen before. That must make every religion (despite the fact that they are all different from each other) and all the sects that arise from each religion legitimate. Unless the wives of Noah or his sons were of Cain's bloodline, presumably they all would have died. Your explanation of the older proto-Sumerian culture is really good. I start off describing what the second half of Genesis 4 says and what some of the traditional interpretations of those lines are. All of Genesis, as well as the first portion of Exodus, does appear to be two very distinct yet very similar stories edited together, with small bits here and there from a 3rd source (mainly lineages like what's in Gen5/10 that probably come from what's referred to as the Priestly source). quite often, causing Cain's descendants all to sink in the Flood because it's clear that very sadly He's far less woke than many of our people are, and likely to keep slumbering,. Gog and Magog Nations and the Survival of Cain's Descendants during the The Minoan culture flourished around Agean Sea fromapproximately 2700 to 1600 BC. Minoans were traders, and their cultural contacts reached far beyond theisland of Crete and Santorini from present Norway to Southern Arabia. The pharaoh then did take Sarah, but was stopped by God who corrected him. And what is the relationship of the Church to Israel? Join Tim and Jon in this week's podcast episode as they . That being so, it would be no surprise that upon the death of Bela, the first king of Edom, the National Council, composed of sheiks and otherwise men, would elevate Job to the kingship. Otherwise I would be lost forever. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.. 23 For I dreaded destruction from God,and for fear of his splendor I could not do such things. I also NEVER made the claim that I am the authority on ANY sort of knowledge I have disseminated here to you. Only the Sumerian take was from an outside perspective looking in, trying to understand these gods that taught them civilization, who inhabited their temples, and who they believed they were created by to provide for. I do think Shinar refers to Sumer. I'll be following along throughout the day. Dan Kimball, Is the Bible Trustworthy? He always mentions Edom. If they were dispersed in all directions with confused languages around 3900 BC, then that would coincide with the emergence of Sumer throughout those centuries, then the emergence of Egypt to the west around the middle of the millennium,. Like cells, we can influence those around us. Yes, correct. Few signs of warfare appear in Minoan art. This period in southern Mesopotamia is known as the Ubaid period. In "Enki and the Making of Man" it speaks about the 'Igigi gods', after six generations of gods, acting up. They began to 'increase in number [in the land]' (Gen6:1). They are categorized this way because it's in these city-states where we see the first signs of social inequality with a ruling class and a working class, separated by wealth and status, with the ruling class coordinating and dictating the actions of the lower class. And what is the relationship of the Church to Israel? He failed upon his slippery slope, since Gods asleep Some of those first ancient human cities of Mesopotamia are estimated to have had populations in excess of ten thousand by 4000 BC. However, these people lived in utter harmony with one another with no social stratification, no central leadership, nothing of the sort. He disobeyed, Eve disobeyed, and Cain disobeyed. Aborigines, for example, don't even keep the same name throughout life, but rather their names are passed around throughout the tribe throughout their lives. So Glaucus came seeking her to wife with gifts; but cloud-driving Zeus, king of the deathless gods, bent his head in oath that the son of Sisyphus should never have children born of one father. Ugaritic Documents and 15th century Amarana Letters. Utnapishtim weeps when he sees the destruction. If you still want to know, you ask what will be worth killing for; because it is a witness to the biggest cover up in human history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_%28mythology%29#Li http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.9_kiloyear_event). Religion Ch.2 Pt.2 Flashcards | Quizlet For several centuries after there is no evidence of any human presence in this region. (Immidiately I think of Namaah daughter of Lamech, sister of Tubal Cain (Gen. 4.22). Yet they are free to choose evil, and this can not be good. Genesis 4:15 - But the LORD said to him, Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over. Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. I do feel like you looked into this well enough to understand what I'm claiming. She's the only one of Cain's 7th generation that's mentioned that's not associated with specified skills, and is the only pre-deluvian female descendant of Adam/Eve mentioned at all. Using his varied interests and experiences, he has authored dozens of papers in medical and academic journals, and authored Legal Friction: Law, Narrative, and Identity Politics in Biblical Israel. He can be reached at gershonhepner@gmail.com. Though Ur is not counted among the pre-flood cities by the Sumerians and shows to be the bearer of the kingship long after the flood according to the Kings List, archaeological evidence shows a human presence in the region that would become Ur as far back as the Ubaid period as well. I so love how you explain how God opperates by using scientific and biological terminology. When the raven fails to return, he opens the ark and frees its inhabitants. Headly: Going way back to your mention of a Minoan goddess. Yes, she stayed alive, Through modern science we have learned relatively recently that humanity's existence on the earth predates this time frame by tens of thousands of years. Cain's descendants, some of whom are listed in Genesis 5, grew more and more wicked. Based on these two verses, Cain's slaying of Abel and subsequent banishment happened sometime within the first 130 years of Adam's existence. You tell me your mythology. 13 takes place by the south of the land of Canaan, in days of Moses, perhaps around the 1200's BCE. How does a tale of jewish cowards compare with this tale of heroes and gods of the days of noah? The next step was to then take that same gift of free will and populate the world with it. Ancient Sumerian civilization marks a vital turning point in humanity's existence, yet everything currently known about them has only been learned over the past century or so. 18 Behold the counsel of the king which he advised formerly respecting the labor of the children of Yisrael is very good, and you must not remove from them that labor forever. Carmen Imes, How God Reveals Himself in Leviticus Leviticus E1, What Did the Burnt Offerings Really Mean? He named both of them, Cain's descendants are credited with inventing most of the things that make civilization possible. let global = (index === 'globalIndex'); How to Read the Bible Part 5: Why isn't there more detail in Bible stories? 31 if the men of my household have never said, 'Who has not had his fill of Job's meat?'-. "The Chim were the descendants of people who had lived in this region for 10,000 . 13 The blessing of a perishing man came upon me. Can wires be bundled for neatness in a service panel? I think this increase in the human population in the region is due to Cain's establishment of a more domesticated lifestyle built around the introduction of wide-scale agriculture and irrigation. Like us. There are some (like James DeMeo) that speculate this means there people from China, possibly Japan, who reached North America on the northwest Pacific coast and migrated south. Cain feared being harmed by 'others' outside of his native land and God confirmed that fear as valid by marking him to protect him. Genesis 4:17 - And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. Let me put it another way. Movies. The ancient Indian epic of Mahabharata says that the "holy men of old' were "self-subdued and free from envy," suggesting a lack of self-awareness and self-assertion. Along the way mega-fauna disappear completely from the fossil record, in large part due to Homo sapiens, officially establishing themselves as the dominant species in the animal kingdom and the sole surviving species of early humans. 26 if I have regarded the sun in its radianceor the moon moving in splendor. And these were the kings who reigned in Edom, which country he also ruled over: first, Balac, the son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dennaba: but after Balac, Jobab, who is called Job, and after him Asom, who was governor out of the country of Thaeman: and after him Adad, the son of Barad, who destroyed Madiam in the plain of Moab; and the name of his city was Gethaim. Jeremy Christian (author) from Texas on June 10, 2016: Thank you for your comment Carrine. Eridu today, first established during the Ubaid Period (5300 BC), The notable characteristics of the Ubaid period are the simultaneous emergence of an irrigation-dependent farming system, economic differentiation, regional centralization, and ritual elaboration. Different than simply farming, agricultural work in this region and time period made use of intricate canal systems for controlled irrigation. Devil was informed that seed of woman will crash his skull. Genesis 4:16-24, Cain's Descendants and Implications for Today Standing in the Eleventh Hour Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. So let me get this straight. They're considered cancerous when they stop behaving as DNA/God/Authority dictates. The words are ancient and have to be understood. I went from history to philosophy or theology. Hes far less woke than many of our people are, The first Sumerian cities existed 3000 years before their system of writing became advanced enough to allow for the recording of their own oral historical tales. Settled communities existed well before the notably violent turn in humans for thousands of years. You don't even acknowledge the possibility that you have made a mistake and you dance around the argument and claim that I am the one without evidence to the contrary. Jeremy Christian (author) from Texas on September 21, 2012: By free will I mean a will apart from God's. Yet the remainder of Genesis 4 talks about mysterious unnamed figures who could potentially harm him outside of his homeland, a city he built, and specifically named descendants who, along with their skilled 'children', died in a global flood not long after, presumably. Assuming Cain's curse wasn't regional, he more or less had been cursed to devolve back to migrating, 'restlessly wandering' to survive. The Kin of Cain in Beowulf Bandy, Stephen C. "Cain, Grendel, and the Giants of Beowulf." PLL 9 (1973): 235-49. Vladimir Uhri from HubPages, FB on April 11, 2013: To all: As theories and guessing is concern, as far I know God never!!!
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